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first in the house, a bill to help victims of superstorm sandy. house speaker john boehner nixed the vote in the last hours of 2012, drawing a firestorm of criticism. it comes up in the house in two parts- the first tomorrow, and the other mid-january. >> the next act will begin a couple of months from now, probably in late february, early march, when we hit the debt ceiling and when the automatic spending cuts come into play again, and either have to be replaced with other spending cuts, or again, kicked down the road. >> reporter: these are the same issues that snarled congress in the summer of 2011, and again during the fiscal cliff debate. there's little hope for a better outcome this year. president obama has promised not to negotiate with the new congress on raising the debt ceiling, but republicans are ready to use it to force major federal spending reforms and tame the national debt. right now, the u.s. owes $16 trillion, but some calculate our total liabilities much higher. and as congress jumps from small deal to small deal as they have
first in the house, a bill to help victims of superstorm sandy. house speaker john boehner nixed the vote in the last hours of 2012, drawing a firestorm of criticism. it comes up in the house in two parts- the first tomorrow, and the other mid-january. >> the next act will begin a couple of months from now, probably in late february, early march, when we hit the debt ceiling and when the automatic spending cuts come into play again, and either have to be replaced with other spending cuts,...
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house speaker john boehner has set a timeline for voting on $60 billion in relief for superstorm sandy. boehner has pledged to bring $9 billion in aid to the floor on friday followed by a $51 billion package on jerry 15. he canceled an expected vote this week on sandy relief, prompting outrage from republicans in northeastern states pounded by the storm. in particular, new jersey governor chris christie hammered boehner, he called the house speaker four times tuesday night after being informed the bill had been pulled. during a 40-minute news conference wednesday, governor christie called boehner's decision "disappointing and disgusting to watch" and condemned the gop's "toxic internal politics." in our hour of desperate need, we have left waiting for help six times longer than the victims of katrina with no end in sight. americans are tired of the palace intrigue and political partisanship of this congress, which places one upmanship ahead of the lives of citizens who set these people to washington, d.c. in the first place. those in new jersey and new york are tired of being treated l
house speaker john boehner has set a timeline for voting on $60 billion in relief for superstorm sandy. boehner has pledged to bring $9 billion in aid to the floor on friday followed by a $51 billion package on jerry 15. he canceled an expected vote this week on sandy relief, prompting outrage from republicans in northeastern states pounded by the storm. in particular, new jersey governor chris christie hammered boehner, he called the house speaker four times tuesday night after being informed...
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sandy relief, is boehner the problem or is controlling the republican convention, like a bunch of herding cats, as the speaker has said in the past? >> definitely the latter. controlling this caulk discuss a much greater problem than john boehner. if you look at the people who defected, one was not tom price, he ended up voting for boehner for speaker, but if you look at the people who defected, did not vote for john boehner for speaker, no consensus among them at all there is no alternative there is no uprising to support someone else who could be speaker, they really are split. that, if anything is indicative of the fact that this caulk discuss very splintered right now. >> yeah, of those who did not vote forth speaker, three went for eric captor, okay, understandable, two for alan west, who is no longer part of the house, but interesting votes there how about speaker boehner who says that he's done, he is done negotiating one-on-one with the president, something that has not brought to fruition what he hoped would happen. ab, that does not exactly inspire confidence in our elected offi
sandy relief, is boehner the problem or is controlling the republican convention, like a bunch of herding cats, as the speaker has said in the past? >> definitely the latter. controlling this caulk discuss a much greater problem than john boehner. if you look at the people who defected, one was not tom price, he ended up voting for boehner for speaker, but if you look at the people who defected, did not vote for john boehner for speaker, no consensus among them at all there is no...
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so they never got around to approving federal aid for victims of superstorm sandy. and late tuesday night, new jersey governor chris christie got the call that congress won't vote on a 60-billion dollar rescue package for another two weeks. this is why the american people hate congress. 66 days and counting. shame on you. we cannot believe that this cruel knife in the back was delivered to our region. we've had no help from anybody. the pilot garbage has been there since the first week. the house is expected to vote tomorrow to approve money to cover flood damage. nearly one month after the deadly shooting that claimed the lives of 20 first graders and six teachers. students of sandy hook elementary are back in school today.. the students have been relocated to a different building, in another town. under extremely tight security. rugs and furniture from their old school have been moved to the new location to help students ease into the transition. the daughter of former sandy hook principal dawn hochsprung. one of the first victims' of last month's killing spree, s
so they never got around to approving federal aid for victims of superstorm sandy. and late tuesday night, new jersey governor chris christie got the call that congress won't vote on a 60-billion dollar rescue package for another two weeks. this is why the american people hate congress. 66 days and counting. shame on you. we cannot believe that this cruel knife in the back was delivered to our region. we've had no help from anybody. the pilot garbage has been there since the first week. the...
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sandy. no one was more damning than the outspoken republican governor of new jersey chris christie. >> every day that we don't begin to get this aid are days that we can't help people get back in their homes, get businesses reopened, get our economy moving in this state again. those are the real consequences of it. this used to be something that was not political. you know, disaster relief was something that you didn't play games with. now in this current atmosphere everything is the subject of one ups manship. everything is a possibility, a potential piece of bait for the political game. it's just -- it is why the american people hate congress. >> within two hours of christie's tongue lashing boehner announced he would let the new congress vote on the first part at least of the sandy aid package tomorrow. is that good enough? joining me now is new york senator chuck schumer, who visited sandy victims in long island yesterday to assure them that they would get the help that they were promise
sandy. no one was more damning than the outspoken republican governor of new jersey chris christie. >> every day that we don't begin to get this aid are days that we can't help people get back in their homes, get businesses reopened, get our economy moving in this state again. those are the real consequences of it. this used to be something that was not political. you know, disaster relief was something that you didn't play games with. now in this current atmosphere everything is the...
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the idea that we're sitting here over two months from superstorm sandy and it is occurring to both democrats and republicans they might get an aid bill passed? this is the kind of nonsense that has got to end, these desperate, last-minute urgent measures. oh, yes, the president wants to come back and do a little more of that. he wants to do that with immigration reform. people should by now be getting wise to and sick of obama your againsy, which really means procrastinate to the last moment, set it up so that somethings had to be done before you think, before you read, know, understand, contemplate or a have a vision of the future trying to construct at a legislature. no one has the guts in that town, republican or democrat to tell the president to go to hell. melissa: it is really painful job. talk about service to your country originally what a politician was about going to in to help serve your community. >> which one much these men or women, put this in context right now, which one of these men or women serving in the senates senate or the house of representatives has sacrificed much af
the idea that we're sitting here over two months from superstorm sandy and it is occurring to both democrats and republicans they might get an aid bill passed? this is the kind of nonsense that has got to end, these desperate, last-minute urgent measures. oh, yes, the president wants to come back and do a little more of that. he wants to do that with immigration reform. people should by now be getting wise to and sick of obama your againsy, which really means procrastinate to the last moment,...
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sandy aid. i want to ask you that, but in a moment we want to get back to the floor here. house and senate members taking the oath of office. let's listen in. >> you're being to enter so help you god. >> i do. >> congratulations, senator. congratulations. [ applause ] >> we are watching representative tammy baldwin. she is signing the pledge, the oath that she has taken the vice president swearing in the senators there on the floor. we are now watching from wyoming john barbarraso. i talked to him the other day about his impressions and what he's looking forward to. that's sherry brown of ohio signing and giving the congratulations and, of course, the handshakes. wolf, i want you to talk a little bit about this moment and what this means. you have new senators who are signing the pledge there. there are 13 new senators that signed on. this is a special moment for our country. >> they bring in a few senators at a time to be sworn in by the president of the united states, who is the vice president
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meanwhile outrage is growing over superstorm sandy funding. the house pledging to vote on the aid bill as leaders on both sides of the aisle expressed concerns over the delay. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel live on capitol hill for us now. so, mike, give us the assessment. is speaker boehner in trouble? >> reporter: jon, we're told 25 or 30 conservative members who have reservations about speaker boehner continuing on as speaker of the house of representatives but i talked to a lot of folks here on capitol hill, members, people close to leadership, outside of boehner's team who suggest they do not believe that boehner will be in trouble when push comes to shove, when the house votes in about two hours on the next speaker of the house. a lot of republicans here on capitol hill both in the house and senate are essentially trying to turn the page on the 112th congress and looking forward to fighting for their principles in the new congress. >> our strongest hand are three things and that is the debt ceiling, the continuing resolut
meanwhile outrage is growing over superstorm sandy funding. the house pledging to vote on the aid bill as leaders on both sides of the aisle expressed concerns over the delay. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel live on capitol hill for us now. so, mike, give us the assessment. is speaker boehner in trouble? >> reporter: jon, we're told 25 or 30 conservative members who have reservations about speaker boehner continuing on as speaker of the house of representatives but i talked...
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good morning. >> good morning. >> robert you heard the piece, 67 days since superstorm sandy hit and it seems that the storms victims are the latest casualty of this fiscal cliff fight. does the president bear any responsibility for a broken washington? >> well, look, i think what the president has challenged members of both parties to do is make sure that our politics fits the moment and the size of the problems that we have. certainly he has worked tirelessly to bring democrats and republicans together, to try to solve some of these problems and i think you have seen and others have seen that time after time it is hard to bring people like speaker boehner to the table to make those compromises. >> there's an old phrase someone says don't confuse effort with accomplishment. >> that should be the motto of washington, but look you know in this piece, we have averted tax rates going up on the middle class right now, which is a huge victory, i think, for the country. the question is again, we have this mini -- govern by mini crisis and the question is how are we going to meet that momen
good morning. >> good morning. >> robert you heard the piece, 67 days since superstorm sandy hit and it seems that the storms victims are the latest casualty of this fiscal cliff fight. does the president bear any responsibility for a broken washington? >> well, look, i think what the president has challenged members of both parties to do is make sure that our politics fits the moment and the size of the problems that we have. certainly he has worked tirelessly to bring...
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sandy that they would not vote for the speaker to be re-elected because they were angry that superstorm sandy legislation was not considered before the adjournment of this congress. but he met with them and assured them that it would be taken up in two separate bills pretty quickly and now those members have all committed to voting for the speaker. so, no one thinks he's going to, you know, come close to losing. but i think you'll see some members either vote present or vote against the speaker. i don't think it will be a terribly high number of people. >> so both some interesting debate and some interesting votes today in the house, when the 113th gavels in. expecting that at about noon eastern. but the u.s. house will be in momentarily here to gavel out the 112th. we stay live here on c-span. if we can briefly go to the senate for a second, there was some talk that they may take up some changes in senate rules. when do we expect discussion on that? >> unlike the house, the senate doesn't have to take or vote on a rules package today. you know, it's what they call a continuing body. so
sandy that they would not vote for the speaker to be re-elected because they were angry that superstorm sandy legislation was not considered before the adjournment of this congress. but he met with them and assured them that it would be taken up in two separate bills pretty quickly and now those members have all committed to voting for the speaker. so, no one thinks he's going to, you know, come close to losing. but i think you'll see some members either vote present or vote against the...
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can speaker john boehner keep his job after the debacle over aid for superstorm sandy? >>> plus your money, your taxes, new concern this morning over when you can expect your tax refund from uncle sam. the cnn money team is on it. and this -- >> he said touching that pole, but it's really not. >> it's really not. and move over, erin andrews, a 3-year-old football fan may be around your job. "newsroom" starts right now. >>> good morning. it's been more than five months since a gunman opened fire. in just two weeks, that complex in aurora will reopen. 12 people were killed in july. 58 were injured. cinemark invited those families to a special evening of remembrance, but that offer has upset a lot of families. their response. they sent us this invite two days after christmas. how insensitive can you possibly be? they never even offered condolences. we will not be used as pawn to help them with ticket sales. the offer of a free ticket for a family member and a guest is despicable. our family members paid for their ticket with nair lives. listen to one family member. >> that
can speaker john boehner keep his job after the debacle over aid for superstorm sandy? >>> plus your money, your taxes, new concern this morning over when you can expect your tax refund from uncle sam. the cnn money team is on it. and this -- >> he said touching that pole, but it's really not. >> it's really not. and move over, erin andrews, a 3-year-old football fan may be around your job. "newsroom" starts right now. >>> good morning. it's been more...
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but this week, that produced an embarrassing fight over aid for the victims of superstorm sandy. after boehner pulled a $60 billion sandy spending bill from the house floor late on tuesday, perhaps worried what was going to happen after the fiscal cliff bill, that it would go down, that didn't sit well with some republicans from the northeast who raked him over the coals. >> we cannot believe that this cruel knife in the back was delivered to our region. >> the federal government doesn't have a role in this? absurd. absolutely absurd. >> i think it's inexcusable that we did not have this vote. >> we have been devastated. and i would hope that the speaker will bring this to the floor as quickly as possible. >> but the worst tongue lashing came, again, boehner came from new jersey governor, chris christie. a political version of the incredible hulk. you don't want to make chris christie angry. >> there's only one group to blame for the continued suffering of these innocent victims. the house majority and their speaker, john boehner. i called the speaker four times last night after
but this week, that produced an embarrassing fight over aid for the victims of superstorm sandy. after boehner pulled a $60 billion sandy spending bill from the house floor late on tuesday, perhaps worried what was going to happen after the fiscal cliff bill, that it would go down, that didn't sit well with some republicans from the northeast who raked him over the coals. >> we cannot believe that this cruel knife in the back was delivered to our region. >> the federal government...
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. >>> in the meantime, the house plans to vote tomorrow on aid for superstorm sandy. house speaker john boehner agreed to the vote following pressure from fellow republicans who were angry that he had scrapped a vote earlier this week. friday's vote covers $9 billion for the national flood insurance program. another vote on january 15th will cover the remaining $51 billion in that package. >>> here's a big story. interesting here. the arab centric network al jazeera will buy current tv. >> controversial among a lot of americans. it has respect from journalists. >> it does. the hard feelings go back to the iraq war. al jazeera covering it from a different perspective showing images of american bodies so english language network seen here has had hard time finding a spot on american digital channels. they are covering problems in central america. they are a worldwide audience. as you point out, it earned some respect in the ways that it does cover worldwide issues. sometimes in a rather dry fashion like bbc or pbs more than cnn. current television will go away eventuall
. >>> in the meantime, the house plans to vote tomorrow on aid for superstorm sandy. house speaker john boehner agreed to the vote following pressure from fellow republicans who were angry that he had scrapped a vote earlier this week. friday's vote covers $9 billion for the national flood insurance program. another vote on january 15th will cover the remaining $51 billion in that package. >>> here's a big story. interesting here. the arab centric network al jazeera will buy...
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everything in that bill relates daectly to sandy and is directly related to superstorm. so the stories going around things may have been in the senate bill are not in the house bill. >> reporter: there was a bumpy public relations effort for the speaker and house leadership with new york and new jersey leaders, bottom line they say they want to do it right. they will vote tomorrow on getting some money to the metropolitan area there in new york. then on january 15th, the first full legislative day of the new congress, they say they will vote on the rest without the pork, bill. bill: peter king has been on the air for 24 hours. and yesterday on this show blasted his fellow republicans. we'll listen for more. mike emanuel thanks, leading the coverage on the hill which will have a lot of action today. heather: there has been a lot of action the past couple days. we're getting new reaction to the delayed sandy vote from what matters most. this family has been living in a hotel room since the super storm destroyed everything they own. the long island family says, they're runn
everything in that bill relates daectly to sandy and is directly related to superstorm. so the stories going around things may have been in the senate bill are not in the house bill. >> reporter: there was a bumpy public relations effort for the speaker and house leadership with new york and new jersey leaders, bottom line they say they want to do it right. they will vote tomorrow on getting some money to the metropolitan area there in new york. then on january 15th, the first full...
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he set a timetable to approve a $60 billion package for superstorm sandy relief. the house will vote on friday for a $9 billion down payment for storm-related support to the national flood insurance program. there will be then a second vote on january 15th on the $51 billion remainder of the sandy disaster aid package that was approved last week in the senate. boehner's announcement coming after fellow republicans loudly criticized the cancellation of an earlier vote. >> this is 66 days and the wait continues. there is only one group to blame for the continued suffering of these innocent victims. the house majority and their speaker, john boehner. new york deserves better than the selfishness we saw on display last night. new jersey deserves better than the duplicity we saw on display last night. america deserves better than just another example of a government that has forgotten who they are there to serve and why. 66 days and counting. shame on you. shame on congress. >> angry new york/new jersey lawmakers say the house delay marks a stark contrast to congressio
he set a timetable to approve a $60 billion package for superstorm sandy relief. the house will vote on friday for a $9 billion down payment for storm-related support to the national flood insurance program. there will be then a second vote on january 15th on the $51 billion remainder of the sandy disaster aid package that was approved last week in the senate. boehner's announcement coming after fellow republicans loudly criticized the cancellation of an earlier vote. >> this is 66 days...
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his district includes union beach and bellmawr, towns hit hard by superstorm sandy. really, sir, i've got to show you this sort of shows congress can only do one thing at a time and that one thing now is just figuring out a budget and not disaster relief. it looks like it's a congress that is completely dysfunctional. boehner has assured your republican colleagues that the flood insurance part will be brought up on friday in the new congress that gives $9 billion to fema's national flood insurance program. the agency has said that's going to run out of money by next week. do you think this is all going to happen now? >> well, the problem is that it's not enough. in other words, it's been nine weeks since the storm and we want to rebuild the jersey shore. the fact of the matter is if all we do is pass a bill in the house that deals with the flood inrance aspect, that's not going to address most of the problems. in other words, we want funding for our army corps projects to rebuild our beaches and dunes to protect these areas. the towns need to be reimbursed for what t
his district includes union beach and bellmawr, towns hit hard by superstorm sandy. really, sir, i've got to show you this sort of shows congress can only do one thing at a time and that one thing now is just figuring out a budget and not disaster relief. it looks like it's a congress that is completely dysfunctional. boehner has assured your republican colleagues that the flood insurance part will be brought up on friday in the new congress that gives $9 billion to fema's national flood...
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are you aware of any organized opposition to relief for the victims of superstorm sandy? >> absolutely not. i haven't heard of any organized effort. i heard some of my colleagues on the republican side say they'd like to give a lot less than the $60.4 billion. but we thought we had the votes that would pass the amendment to make it a $60.4 billion bill. >> thank you. appreciate your time. >> thank you. >>> up next, hillary clinton's expected to make a full recovery after doctors discovered a blood clot near her brain. the same might not be true of her harshest critics who accused her of faking illness to avoid testifying about benghazi. that's ahead. this is "hardball," the place for politics. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. your soups are so awesomely delicious my husband and i can't stop eating 'em! what's...that... on your head? can curlers! tomato basil, potato with bacon... we've got a lot of empty cans. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. like gas station sushi. or super cheap car insurance. and then there are good decisions. like esurance. the
are you aware of any organized opposition to relief for the victims of superstorm sandy? >> absolutely not. i haven't heard of any organized effort. i heard some of my colleagues on the republican side say they'd like to give a lot less than the $60.4 billion. but we thought we had the votes that would pass the amendment to make it a $60.4 billion bill. >> thank you. appreciate your time. >> thank you. >>> up next, hillary clinton's expected to make a full recovery...
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sandy. it did not stop my family and his neighbors to go out and sit through the feets of sand to find that memorial. it was that precious to them. they did not wait for the federal government to come to hold them by their boot straps. they are humble and proud people that have been affected by this. he will recover. -- they will recover. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i think it is important to set the record straight. last night many of us came to the floor and rightly said that the conduct of the republican leadership was disgraceful, indefensible, and is immoral. let me lay out the facts to how we reach the situation. we're not in the position of name-calling. this goes far beyond any of that. the fact is, 10 days after katrina, $60 million was appropriated. it has been nine weeks and nothing has been appropriated at all by this congress to the people of new york, new jersey, connecticut, and long island, which i represent. over that last five or seven weeks, we did everything that the repub
sandy. it did not stop my family and his neighbors to go out and sit through the feets of sand to find that memorial. it was that precious to them. they did not wait for the federal government to come to hold them by their boot straps. they are humble and proud people that have been affected by this. he will recover. -- they will recover. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i think it is important to set the record straight. last night many of us came to the floor and rightly said that the conduct...
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sandy. comments in a few minutes. you'll hear this afternoon conference with governor chris christie who was critical of house leaders for delaying a vote on hurricane assistance. we spoke with a reporter about today's action. later, houser speaker john baier met with the new jersey delegation about funding saying the should be the first priority. after a day of heated remarks about not considering a disaster aid spending bill, there will be a vote after all. carrie young is joining us. what happened? >> they are moving ahead. the most urgent need is flawed programs which is going to have some trouble. we will see that on friday. and they're picking up the rest of the package on january 15. >> why did they not schedule a vote before the end of the congress? >> they expected to go back to this in january. there was a lot going on behind the scenes. >> she started to talk about how it will work going forward. can you elaborate? what is happening next? >> the most dire need is expressing the fl
sandy. comments in a few minutes. you'll hear this afternoon conference with governor chris christie who was critical of house leaders for delaying a vote on hurricane assistance. we spoke with a reporter about today's action. later, houser speaker john baier met with the new jersey delegation about funding saying the should be the first priority. after a day of heated remarks about not considering a disaster aid spending bill, there will be a vote after all. carrie young is joining us. what...
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sandy. this absolutely enraged pligtss in the northeast, especially that man peter king from new york and others from new jersey, areas still dealing with the storm that destroyed whole communities in late october. you may recall governor christie stood with president obama after the disaster, and some thought that was a political move. withholding the aid was perhaps another political move but either way christie didn't hesitate to point a finger earlier today. >> there's only one group to blame for the continued suffering of these innocent victims. the house majority and their speaker, john boehner. >> reporter: but 90 minutes later new york representative said two votes for funding are forthcoming, one on friday for 9 billion in flood insurance and one in two weeks on another 51 billion. >> whatever reason the speaker decided not to bring it to a vote this week, obviously we disagreed were that and that's in the past. the bottom line is between friday morning and january 15th, those two v
sandy. this absolutely enraged pligtss in the northeast, especially that man peter king from new york and others from new jersey, areas still dealing with the storm that destroyed whole communities in late october. you may recall governor christie stood with president obama after the disaster, and some thought that was a political move. withholding the aid was perhaps another political move but either way christie didn't hesitate to point a finger earlier today. >> there's only one group...
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sandy. the vote was abruptly pulled back by speaker boehner last night delaying the bill until the 113th congress which convenes tomorrow. gop leadership apparently determined the house shouldn't even try for $60.4 billion in new spending on a night it added $4 trillion to the deficit. and congressman king is not the only one outraged that politics took precedence over people. >> republicans in congress brought this house to a new low last night. >> we're all hit hard enough with the recession. on top of that now we have to deal with the anxiety and the failure of congress to act. >> talk to the people. look into their eyes. understand their needs. come walk with me, mr. speaker. >> this is time to stop debating and take the gloves off. jersey style. >> and speaking of jersey style, governor chris christie came out swinging this afternoon. >> shame on you. shame on congress. on a political chess board of internal palace intrigue politics, our people were played last night as a pawn. and that
sandy. the vote was abruptly pulled back by speaker boehner last night delaying the bill until the 113th congress which convenes tomorrow. gop leadership apparently determined the house shouldn't even try for $60.4 billion in new spending on a night it added $4 trillion to the deficit. and congressman king is not the only one outraged that politics took precedence over people. >> republicans in congress brought this house to a new low last night. >> we're all hit hard enough with...
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victims of superstorm sandy will have to wait for the next session of congress to see if they'll get billions of dollars in federal aid. 2013 will still end up being a little bit more costly. late last night the house approved a measure passed earlier by the senate. extending unemployment benefits. a clear victory for president obama the campaign on promises to only raise taxes on the wealthiest americans. i also know all that raises taxes on the wealthiest 2 percent of americans. how this a had a severe impact on families across america. they still will take a financial hit in 2013. at least 2 percent more in payroll taxes. cutting into most workers' paychecks. it will hit illinois and is especially hard. >> is a double whammy. they're getting another tax hike, the 2 percent payroll tax. for a median house and come they might be saving 5000-ton thousand dollars a year. this is $2,100 less. while everybody is happy that the worst was avoided many are disgusted at how the entire ordeal turned up. the little guy is the ones suffering. >> i think it was really irresponsible by our gover
victims of superstorm sandy will have to wait for the next session of congress to see if they'll get billions of dollars in federal aid. 2013 will still end up being a little bit more costly. late last night the house approved a measure passed earlier by the senate. extending unemployment benefits. a clear victory for president obama the campaign on promises to only raise taxes on the wealthiest americans. i also know all that raises taxes on the wealthiest 2 percent of americans. how this a...
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sandy and now don't have the relief and congress goes home? >> well, you're absolutely right. it is incomprehensible. you're right. in vermont we suffered, and now in new jersey and new york people are suffering. but as you know, we passed an emergency relief program, disaster relief program, for sandy. we passed it in the senate. >> i know you did. >> our republican friends in the house chose not to do with it -- to deal with that issue, and i think that is a real tragedy. >> senator, thanks for joining us today. again, happier 2013 to you. >> happy new year to you as well. >> thanks. >>> stocks are soaring, first trading day of the new year, the market is buoyed by a better than expected report. joining me, ruth marcus, also greg yip. welcome both. the markets just reacting to this last-minute deal? other fundamentals that you are looking at? >> mostly it is the deal. the deal does three things that the markets are happy about, number one, taxes in the new year, number two, removes some of the uncertainty about fiscal policy that's been plag
sandy and now don't have the relief and congress goes home? >> well, you're absolutely right. it is incomprehensible. you're right. in vermont we suffered, and now in new jersey and new york people are suffering. but as you know, we passed an emergency relief program, disaster relief program, for sandy. we passed it in the senate. >> i know you did. >> our republican friends in the house chose not to do with it -- to deal with that issue, and i think that is a real tragedy....
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government is about helping families recover and rebuild from major disasters like superstorm sandy. in a shocking display of neglect, this house majority decided not to allow a vote on disaster aid funds so desperately needed to recover and repair from this storm. hurricane sandy was one of the most severe storms to hit connecticut in our state's history. all across our region families' houses were destroyed and lives were upended. and whether it has been a fire in the west, a tornado in the midwest, a hurricane in the gulf coast or a storm in the northeast, this body acted. we didn't say no. it was a resounding yes to help because it is the central responsibility of this institution to act on behalf of the american people and yet here we are two months since sandy destroyed thousands of homes and businesses, took 100 lives across this nation. this house majority said no on a vote for disaster assistance to help millions of people get back on their feet again. the republican leadership has broken that contract of citizenship. they have said to my constituents in stratford, in milfor
government is about helping families recover and rebuild from major disasters like superstorm sandy. in a shocking display of neglect, this house majority decided not to allow a vote on disaster aid funds so desperately needed to recover and repair from this storm. hurricane sandy was one of the most severe storms to hit connecticut in our state's history. all across our region families' houses were destroyed and lives were upended. and whether it has been a fire in the west, a tornado in the...
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sandy aid bill. some republican lawmakers say ' portion of the multi-billion dollar legislation actually goes to the victims and they believe the rest is filled with pork. they say it's unrelated spending, including items like 150 million dollars in funding for alaskan fisheries, that's not slowed down the latest attacks on the g.o.p. listen. >> everybody played by the rules, except tonight when the rug was pulled out from under us, absolutely inexcusable. indefensible, we have a moral obligation to hold this vote. >> mr. speaker, we cannot turn our backs on our citizens who need us. >> i have to go home and tell them their new years gift is that they're going to wait even longer, even longer for something they should have had over a month ago. >> ithis is an absolute disgrace and the speaker should hang his head in shame for not allowing this to come up. >> megyn: shannon bream is live in washington. that was democrats and republicans bashing the republican leadership for not allowing a vote on this
sandy aid bill. some republican lawmakers say ' portion of the multi-billion dollar legislation actually goes to the victims and they believe the rest is filled with pork. they say it's unrelated spending, including items like 150 million dollars in funding for alaskan fisheries, that's not slowed down the latest attacks on the g.o.p. listen. >> everybody played by the rules, except tonight when the rug was pulled out from under us, absolutely inexcusable. indefensible, we have a moral...
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speaker boehner refused to bring forward a bill funding emergency aid for victims of superstorm sandy. this is how republican peter king responded this morning. >> john boehner has been personally helpful over the years, so it pains me to say this, but the fact is, the dismissive attitude that was shown last night towards new york, new jersey, connecticut, typifies, i believe, a strain in the republican party. we cannot believe that this cruel knife in the back was delivered to our region. >> now, unfortunately, these leaders will still need to work together, and soon. with one deadline down last night, the president has already begun positioning himself for the next fight. >> we'll negotiate over many things. i will not have another debate with this congress over whether or not they should pay the bills that they've already racked up through the laws that they passed. let me repeat. we can't not pay bills that we've already incurred. >> the debt ceiling is coming, the sequesters are coming. cue the next countdown clock. joining us now from washington, the sage of capitol hill, hardes
speaker boehner refused to bring forward a bill funding emergency aid for victims of superstorm sandy. this is how republican peter king responded this morning. >> john boehner has been personally helpful over the years, so it pains me to say this, but the fact is, the dismissive attitude that was shown last night towards new york, new jersey, connecticut, typifies, i believe, a strain in the republican party. we cannot believe that this cruel knife in the back was delivered to our...
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sandy. we have the outrage and the fallout. >>> and what does the fiscal cliff deal really mean for the money that you make in your investments versus the money that you make in your paycheck? tyler and i will break it down for you coming up at the top of the hour. right now we send it back over to scott on "the fast money halftime report." back over to you. >> thank you, beck, see you at the top of the hour. hewlett-packard the dow's worst performer last year is up big today, it continues to evaluate the idea of selling businesses that no longer meet its objectives. joe is bullish, weiss sees more downside ahead. grasso is making some money in hp. what's the problem? >> the problem is it's a pure commodity stock that has to reformulate their business and i can almost guarantee that earnings revisions are going to be lowered and not higher, so we'll see it bounce because it's so beaten up and well shorted but i think there are better places to make money in tech. i wouldn't short it but i de
sandy. we have the outrage and the fallout. >>> and what does the fiscal cliff deal really mean for the money that you make in your investments versus the money that you make in your paycheck? tyler and i will break it down for you coming up at the top of the hour. right now we send it back over to scott on "the fast money halftime report." back over to you. >> thank you, beck, see you at the top of the hour. hewlett-packard the dow's worst performer last year is up big...
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jon: superstorm sandy caused so much devastation when it slammed into the northeast. the senate approved billions of dollars in aid to help the victims. why those affected won't be seeing any of that money anytime soon. [gunfire] >>> plus one of the deadliest attacks in weeks in syria as the violence there only gets worse. how much longer than the assad regime last? ambassador john bolton with his thoughts next. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare? that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, they help save you up to thousands in out-of-pocket costs. call today to request a free decision guide. with these types of plans, you'll be able to visit any doctor or hospital that accepts medicare patients... plus, there are no networks, and you'll never need a referral to see a specialist. join the millions who have already enrolled in the onl
jon: superstorm sandy caused so much devastation when it slammed into the northeast. the senate approved billions of dollars in aid to help the victims. why those affected won't be seeing any of that money anytime soon. [gunfire] >>> plus one of the deadliest attacks in weeks in syria as the violence there only gets worse. how much longer than the assad regime last? ambassador john bolton with his thoughts next. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare? that's a good thing, but it...
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i'll never another get one resident who came up to me the day after hurricane sandy, or superstorm sandy and said i have lost everything, but at least i'm alive. we need to now backstop these individuals. we need to make sure these moneys are there, they flow quickly, be sure they can rebuild and the homes, businesses, and municipalities that have done yeoman's work gather and unite behind them. problems assisted those with hurricane katrina in 2005 in a mere two weeks. we are now past two months. we need to be clear, the president didn't send this up until december 7. there was a loss of several weeks. we do have a bill. it's about 25% less than what the states have said they needed. they said about $80 billion. it's down approximately $60 billion. it is less. le i have seen and run through the numbers our state has sent to this body as well as to the president. they are very well vetted. chris christi used to be a u.s. attorney. many of people are all former prosecutors. they hate waste, fraud, and abuse. and they are trying to ensure that the money is there in the amounts needed to ma
i'll never another get one resident who came up to me the day after hurricane sandy, or superstorm sandy and said i have lost everything, but at least i'm alive. we need to now backstop these individuals. we need to make sure these moneys are there, they flow quickly, be sure they can rebuild and the homes, businesses, and municipalities that have done yeoman's work gather and unite behind them. problems assisted those with hurricane katrina in 2005 in a mere two weeks. we are now past two...
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. >> the house said to not to vote on a relief bill for victims of superstorm sandy. on friday the senate approved $60 billion of aid for new jersey and new york which were devastated by sandy. leaders called off the vote because of the fiscal cliff deadline. new york lawmakers are steaming. >> hurricane sandy struck on october 29th. eight, nine weeks ago. it's unprecedented that it should take so long. and yet we are now told that this house is going to adjourn, that even though the senate pvot ed fvoteor td fohe ar thid, e aiwe'rd, we goe'reing going to do nothing, it's unprecedented. it's disgusting. >> there's no way to sugar coat th is.this. a new study finds eating fructose may trigger brain activity that makes you overeat. fr uctofrucse itoses ad is ded addeto dd torink dris annks d and foods. psci entisciestsntists studied brain mri. they found the brain fails to react to feeling full the way it does when people eat regular sugar. the researchers say this leads to more eating and potentially to obesity. >>> and there's one study that suing gift -- suggests the
. >> the house said to not to vote on a relief bill for victims of superstorm sandy. on friday the senate approved $60 billion of aid for new jersey and new york which were devastated by sandy. leaders called off the vote because of the fiscal cliff deadline. new york lawmakers are steaming. >> hurricane sandy struck on october 29th. eight, nine weeks ago. it's unprecedented that it should take so long. and yet we are now told that this house is going to adjourn, that even though...
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superstorm sandy destroyed 72,000 homes, but congress failed to act on the recovery bill there. the senate approved a 60 million dollar measure friday, the house did not vote on it. both republicans and democrats from the northeast especially, they're not happy with it. here is new york congressman michael grimm. >> and lost family members and now, i have to go home and tell them their new years gift they're going to wait even longer, even longer for something they should have had over a month ago. stuart: okay, fair point, but look, we've got to point out that the senate bill was loaded with pork, help for alaska's the vote was not taken on the sandy relief measure. you remember the newspaper that published the names of gun owners in new york counties? those gun owners were outraged. now, you won't believe how that newspaper is responding. that will be new at 10. and also, the top of the hour, the n.r.a. calls for armed guards in every school and now one town in new jersey, following through with its plans to put guns in schools starting today. back to nicole, we've got the dow
superstorm sandy destroyed 72,000 homes, but congress failed to act on the recovery bill there. the senate approved a 60 million dollar measure friday, the house did not vote on it. both republicans and democrats from the northeast especially, they're not happy with it. here is new york congressman michael grimm. >> and lost family members and now, i have to go home and tell them their new years gift they're going to wait even longer, even longer for something they should have had over a...
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the house has avoided the fiscal cliff, but it has also avoided superstorm sandy. the house adjourned last night without voting on a bill that would have sent billions to help recovery efforts across the northeast. the senate approved a $60 billion bill last week, but the house decided not to bring up any other legislation. just a short time ago, i spoke with new york congressman peter king. he places the blame squarely on the shoulders of house speaker john boehner. >> he walked off the floor, he refused to tell us why, give us any indication of warning, and eric cantor met with us throughout the week, he devised the strategy how he would bring it to the floor to make it acceptable, to let republicans who wanted to vote against certain partments of the bill, they could do that, but the bill was going to pass, but the bottom line is, the republican speaker walked off the floor without allowing a vote. i'm just saying these people have no problem finding new york when they're trying to raise money. they raise millions in new york city and new jersey. they sent gover
the house has avoided the fiscal cliff, but it has also avoided superstorm sandy. the house adjourned last night without voting on a bill that would have sent billions to help recovery efforts across the northeast. the senate approved a $60 billion bill last week, but the house decided not to bring up any other legislation. just a short time ago, i spoke with new york congressman peter king. he places the blame squarely on the shoulders of house speaker john boehner. >> he walked off the...
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funding for recovery from superstorm sandy. >> stephanie: republicans didn't think that was timely or important. >> it made obama look good. so they hate it. the whole idea. >> stephanie: the president. >> obama: the one thing that i think hopefully in the new year we'll focus on is seeing if we can put a package like this together with a little bit less drama. not scare the heck out of folks quite as much. >> you know what? it's going to happen again in two months. >> a little less drunken lunacy from boehner. >> stephanie: deb in california. hi deb. >> caller: happy new year. >> stephanie: happy new year. >> caller: there's confetti all over the house right now just for the three of you. >> yea! >> caller: so i'm calling because we were awake and paying attention to news channels and things on the new year's eve time. and really we can't let the -- even the senate republicans and the congressional -- the house of representatives, we call them the house of republicans but we shouldn't let them get off the hook because we did go over the fiscal cliff. that was what was being reported
funding for recovery from superstorm sandy. >> stephanie: republicans didn't think that was timely or important. >> it made obama look good. so they hate it. the whole idea. >> stephanie: the president. >> obama: the one thing that i think hopefully in the new year we'll focus on is seeing if we can put a package like this together with a little bit less drama. not scare the heck out of folks quite as much. >> you know what? it's going to happen again in two...
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sandy. i'm joined by john yarmouth, a member of the budget committee. congressman, i want to play a little bit more. i was struck by this. i want to play a little bit more of your colleagues reacting to the bill on hurricane sandy relief not being brought up. let's play a little bit more of that. and we'll talk about it. >> i am deeply zpoe lly disappo. speaker. >> to ignore the plight of millions of american citizens, unprecedented, disgusting, unworthy of the leadership of this house. >> absolutely inexcusable, absolutely indefensible. >> i'm usually proud of this house. tonight i am ashamed. shame on you, mr. speaker. >> sort of a rare bit of bipartisanship, there speaker. you had peter king, a republican, eliot dangel there, a democrat. was this a mistake to end the 112th congress on this note? >> well, certainly, i think it would have been much more reasonable to try and pass the relief measure. there was a little bit of technical problem there in that the house was dealing with two sep
sandy. i'm joined by john yarmouth, a member of the budget committee. congressman, i want to play a little bit more. i was struck by this. i want to play a little bit more of your colleagues reacting to the bill on hurricane sandy relief not being brought up. let's play a little bit more of that. and we'll talk about it. >> i am deeply zpoe lly disappo. speaker. >> to ignore the plight of millions of american citizens, unprecedented, disgusting, unworthy of the leadership of this...
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sandy. republican leaders took no action on the sandy relief measure last night, angering new york area lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. >> everybody played by the rules, except tonight, the rug was pulled out from under us, inexcusable and indefensible. we have a moral obligation to have this vote. >> the senate approved more than $60 billion for sandy relief. >> back to the planned story, talk about your eye in the sky, this florida pilot doing a fly-by over his house spots this burglar trying to break into, of all places, his own home and steal his trailer so the pilot tracks the suspect from the air in his cessna, lands the plane, calls police, who then find the guy, they arrest this alleged thief on the interstate some 40 miles away. >> it sounds crazy. >> it's crazy but if i say it, it's true. >> you know what? that is in fact the case. >>> it was a parade stopper and a tear jerker. an army sergeant deployed to afghanistan stepped off a parade float, surprised his wife and little
sandy. republican leaders took no action on the sandy relief measure last night, angering new york area lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. >> everybody played by the rules, except tonight, the rug was pulled out from under us, inexcusable and indefensible. we have a moral obligation to have this vote. >> the senate approved more than $60 billion for sandy relief. >> back to the planned story, talk about your eye in the sky, this florida pilot doing a fly-by over his house...
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sandy aid. that was something that people were looking for. >> this is absolutely indefensible. the fact is every bit of documentation that was required by the leadership of the house was provided by governor cuomo, governor christie, merritt blob, everybody played -- mayor bloomberg, everybody played by the rules except tonight. indefensible. we have a moral obligation. the people are out of their homes, the people who are cold, the people without food, the people who have lost their jobs, they don't have the time to wait. we cannot just walk away from our responsibilities. >> and the senate had passed a $60.4 billion sandy disaster aid bill last week. the current session comes to an end today after the new congress gets sworn in. legislation does not, though, carry over from session to session. so consideration of an aid bill would have to start all over again if nothing is scheduled before then. joe? >> back and forth on this was whether it's direct aid or not, in the house they said that the
sandy aid. that was something that people were looking for. >> this is absolutely indefensible. the fact is every bit of documentation that was required by the leadership of the house was provided by governor cuomo, governor christie, merritt blob, everybody played -- mayor bloomberg, everybody played by the rules except tonight. indefensible. we have a moral obligation. the people are out of their homes, the people who are cold, the people without food, the people who have lost their...
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sandy victims. new york and new jersey representatives were expecting a vote before the term ends tomorrow but republican leaders ended the session prompting outraeupbl from both>> everybode rules except tonight when the rug was played out from under us. indefensible. we have a moral obligation to hold this vote. >> mr. speaker, we cannot turn our backs on our citizens who need us. >> i have to go home and tell them their new year's gift is they're going to wait even longer -- even longer -- for something they should have had over a month ago. >> this is an absolute disgrace, and the speaker should hang his head in shame for not allowing this to come up. >>juliet: i guess the images and the stories weren't enough for these people. all you have to do is show up in one of these neighborhoods to see how important this vote was. that's just my. the senate passed a $06 billion aid package friday to help parts of new york and new jersey rebuild from the storm. >>> parents and children in newtown, connecti
sandy victims. new york and new jersey representatives were expecting a vote before the term ends tomorrow but republican leaders ended the session prompting outraeupbl from both>> everybode rules except tonight when the rug was played out from under us. indefensible. we have a moral obligation to hold this vote. >> mr. speaker, we cannot turn our backs on our citizens who need us. >> i have to go home and tell them their new year's gift is they're going to wait even longer --...
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sandy. republican leaders wrapped up the session without voting on billions of dollars of aid. so it drew an angry response from new york area lawmakers. >> the leadership just walked away without the courtesy of saying it didn't have time to deal with the millions of people whose lives have been affected. but maybe, mr. speaker, if you could remind americans that are watching that maybe they should call and ask the congress and ask the speaker, please reconsider. >> new york republican congressman peter king called the decision indefensible and a betrayal of trust. the senate last week approved more than $60 billion in sandy relief. so now to the latest on secretary of state hillary clinton's close call. doctors are saying the blood clot could have been fatal, it could have caused a stroke or it could have led to seizures or epilepsy. she's being treated with blood thinners now and should make a full recovery. former president bill clinton and daughter chelsea both seen visiting her at the
sandy. republican leaders wrapped up the session without voting on billions of dollars of aid. so it drew an angry response from new york area lawmakers. >> the leadership just walked away without the courtesy of saying it didn't have time to deal with the millions of people whose lives have been affected. but maybe, mr. speaker, if you could remind americans that are watching that maybe they should call and ask the congress and ask the speaker, please reconsider. >> new york...
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fox news learned the house plans to split the superstorm sandy aide bill to two parts. giving the lawmakers opposed to a large bill the ability to vote against it and vote on the other part so they don't appear unwilling to help storm victims. the base would provide immediate funding to those affected by the october storm that devastated new york and new jersey coastlines. meanwhile, republicans are still meeting up on capitol hill. we have a live camera outside of that meeting. they are, the camera just shooting in and out there. they are meeting and those are the microphones they may come and talk to reporters after they finish that conference meeting. we are just getting word of something that perhaps is happening behind those doors. senior g.o.p. leadership aide is telling fox that the speaker presented his members two options. the first would be to make an amendment to the senate bill that would add a package of spending cuts. the whip, majority whip would do a whip check, vote check to see if the spending cut amendment could pass. if they get a commitment of 218 v
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. >>> one of the biggest stories of 2012, superstorm sandy. long island, new york city and nerming new jersey all braced for the -- and new jersey braced for the storm, but nobody could have predicted sandy's immense devastation. and new information on the head injury of secretary of state hillary clinton. what she is battling. coming up, what her health crisis could mean for her political future. >>> welcome back. 2012 was a brutal year for weather in the u.s. mother natured tested in every conceivable way. janice dean takes a look now at the wild weather year that was 2012. >> 2012 has more than its fair share of wild weather. whether it was destructive, deadly or just plain hot, extreme weather affected americans in every part of the country. after a mild winter for most, spring roared in with tornadoes. twisters tore through several states wiping out communities and killing several people. a devastating ef4 tornado with winds up to 200 miles per hour hit the midwest. henryville and maryville completely obliterated. heartbreaking stories of
. >>> one of the biggest stories of 2012, superstorm sandy. long island, new york city and nerming new jersey all braced for the -- and new jersey braced for the storm, but nobody could have predicted sandy's immense devastation. and new information on the head injury of secretary of state hillary clinton. what she is battling. coming up, what her health crisis could mean for her political future. >>> welcome back. 2012 was a brutal year for weather in the u.s. mother natured...
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. >> kimberly: i thought it was the superstorm sandy. specifically, when we had the little bear hug where christie, game changer for the election, where christie went and embraced obama. that was a big deal. he was the main people surrogate for romney campaigning in the election for him to validate and say hey, this guy is doing a great job. didn't help days before the election. >> eric: big story. sandy. christie. two big stories. >> kimberly: yes. >> eric: juan, what about you, sir? actually i don't think there is any -- >> juan: i don't think there is any question. the big story of the year was the election. the big story here is the change in the way technology, media treats an election. i remember the debate. the first debate. won by romney. the way i was looking at it. obama is not doing bad. not doing great but basically you got to knock out the champ to beat him. it didn't see a knock-out. all my friends like sean hannity, i sit next two on twitter and they're scoring the debate minute by minute, everything going on in social med
. >> kimberly: i thought it was the superstorm sandy. specifically, when we had the little bear hug where christie, game changer for the election, where christie went and embraced obama. that was a big deal. he was the main people surrogate for romney campaigning in the election for him to validate and say hey, this guy is doing a great job. didn't help days before the election. >> eric: big story. sandy. christie. two big stories. >> kimberly: yes. >> eric: juan, what...
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sandy to the massive typhoon in the philippines. 2012 will also be remembered for a series of mass shootings from aurora, arata, to the sikh temple, to be shooting in newtown, conn.. the case around trayvon martin sparked national protest after officials refused to arrest george zimmerman. president obama continues his secret drone wars. we spend the hour looking back at the moment and movements that shaped 2012. >> democratic congresswoman gabrielle giffords has announced she will step down this week. she was shot in the head last year in a shooting spree that left six people dead in tucson. >> thank you for your prayers and for giving me the time to recover. i have more work to do on my recovery, so i will do what is best for arizona. i will step down this week. >> iraqis are voicing outrage over the sentencing of the last marines charged in the 2005 massacre of 25 civilians. on tuesday, frank woodrich received no jail time. >> i was expecting the american courts would sentence the person to life in prison. he should appear and confessed to the world that he committed these crimes so that
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it's mostly going to be about sandy relief money from the superstorm. the cliff will come up, but the source said we are not going over any potential deal because there isn't one and the senate hasn't acted yet. >> but even if they're intending to talk more about sandy relief, don't you think the fiscal cliff issue is going to kind of come up? >> of course it's going to come up, but my only point is the meeting -- that's not what the meeting is about. it's a further indication that -- from the house of representatives that they don't consider this thing ripe enough that they're going to bolt and move on it tonight. >> that'll please new jersey governor chris christie and governor cuomo of new york. but you don't think that's a head fake to try and lower expectations? or not to raise them needlessly on the fiscal cliff? >> look. >> we sound skeptical, don't we? >> yes. but we're not that far from 5:00. and we're not that far from midnight. knowing the way the senate acts, the fact the senate leaders have not announced a deal. i don't think it's a trech t
it's mostly going to be about sandy relief money from the superstorm. the cliff will come up, but the source said we are not going over any potential deal because there isn't one and the senate hasn't acted yet. >> but even if they're intending to talk more about sandy relief, don't you think the fiscal cliff issue is going to kind of come up? >> of course it's going to come up, but my only point is the meeting -- that's not what the meeting is about. it's a further indication that...